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Technosailor: Even During a Recession, Small Businesses Still Should Consider Macbooks

  • Rob Carlson · 1 year ago
    There are tons of free and open PDF creators for Windows. Assuming you use the free version and an application like CutePDF, your Dell TCO goes down to 1,562. This seems like a $449 straw man to me.
  • Aaron Brazell · 1 year ago
    I know of very few companies who don't use Adobe Acrobat. Do you?
  • ajturner · 1 year ago
    They frequently use Acrobat reader - but comparatively very few people publish PDF's with Acrobat.
  • kevindewalt · 1 year ago
    Sorry Aaron, I have to respectfully agree that this is a straw man as well. Use Google Apps and you don't need most of things on the Dell list. And, yes, I know companies that are using CutePDF.

    I can't wait until a non-OS laptop comes out with a keyboard, screen, broadband access, and Chrome.
  • Aaron Brazell · 1 year ago
    What's the market share? To be fair, I can't answer that either, but my gut instinct, and I think you have to agree, is that companies who do need PDF creation tend to use Adobe Acrobat.
  • ajturner · 1 year ago
    While it would be nice to do away with MS Office on Mac - the reality is enough people use edge-case functionality, such as change tracking and styling - that Pages just isn't good enough. Also, they'll probably by "Home" addition assuming they're not using Accounting, Access, or Publisher. (which iWork doesn't include either)

    Another factor could include iMovie/iDVD for media authoring.
  • Aaron Brazell · 1 year ago
    I use track changes quite effectively with Pages (iWork) in an MS Office
    environment. And who uses Access? And Quicken exists at the same pricepoints
    on both. Quickbooks exists on both... I don't see your point. :)
  • ajturner · 1 year ago
    My Point was that users wouldn't buy the overpriced MS Office Pro for exactly the reasons you pointed out. They would buy the much cheaper Office Home.

    I am a Mac user - but I think your overall summary is a little skewed.
  • Doyle Albee · 1 year ago
    Aaron:
    As I type this comment on my MacBook Pro, I couldn't agree more. We recently moved our company from PC to Mac, and things work better and people are generally more satisfied.

    One thing: I tried to go to iWork, and I really liked it (I still won't touch PowerPoint under any circumstances in favor of Keynote), but if you manipulate a lot of Word docs, saving in Pages, then exporting, can be cumbersome. I probably open, edit and save 20-30 Word docs a day, and switched back to Word for Mac just to avoid the extra step, which can be a pain. If you don't work in and out of docs that often, Pages is superior.

    Thanks for showing the CFOs what the rest of us suspected (or hoped was true!).

    Doyle Albee
    www.metzgerblog.com
  • Aaron Brazell · 1 year ago
    Absolutely agreed on the annoyance of Exporting in iWork. But it's just
    that, an annoyance. And for me, it's just part of my workflow now. Pass the
    post on to any CFOs or IT Managers you can think of who need to have their
    thinking changed.
  • azizhp · 1 year ago
    doPDF is a freeware application for PDF creation. So that shaves $449 off the estimate right there. And you're comparing iLife to Office Pro? a fair comparison would be Office for Mac instead.
  • Aaron Brazell · 1 year ago
    Again, I don't know of any companies who use a free PDF creator over Adboe.
    Maybe if they are in the non-profit space. But Acrobat is justified as "cost
    of doing business". Plus, it's the geekier who know about those options and
    the decision makers are not usually the geeky among us.
  • azizhp · 1 year ago
    many compaies use PDF. In fact, all of them. But few need to buy Adobe to do it. At any rate, the embedded PDF creation functionality in Mac OS X is not equivalent to the total package of functionality you get with Adobe's flagship software, either, so this is another apples-oranges (heh) comparison, in addition to the point I make about Office below.
  • jjthomas · 1 year ago
    Actually, lack of true Exchange support--be it small or large business--is the big factor here. Additionally, any smart small business manager has already locked up some sort of licensing agreement for their business to make Office more cost-effective.

    IMAP capability does not give you fully-featured Exchange features. Exchange is a groupware solution, as you know. Turning on IMAP merely means I can get email, it does not mean I get my calendar and its appointments. In some sense, that's a business FAIL.

    As Rob said, there are many other free alternative PDF creation products available for Windows--including a fairly well-featured open-source product.
  • chrisbachmann · 1 year ago
    There's a plugin for Office 2007 that will save to a PDF. It's free from Microsoft's site. I'm not sure why it wasn't in the official release, but it's easy to get and install.
  • Jared Goralnick · 1 year ago
    Aaron, can't disagree with you more this time. But I'll first and foremost disagree on your comparisons for software and support.

    iWork doesn't compare to MS Office 2007 in a business environment. If one were to get a Mac in a corporate environment, they'd likely still buy Office for any interoperability with, say, everyone else at the office. So that nixes that software...plus licensing agreements should make the price of Office much lower for a corporate user.

    Adobe Acrobat. Like everyone said here, on fewer than 1% of PC is the the paid version of Acrobat installed. Microsoft got sued by Adobe for having free (and awesome) PDF creation utilities built into Office in 2007, but they put it in on their anyways with a web download. It has extensibility that's superior to the built in PDF writing on the Mac, too. For advanced PDF manipulation, both PC and Mac users would have to buy the identically priced Acrobat Standard or Professional for the Mac/PC.

    Also, Dell offers onsite Next Business Day support, but I don't believe Apple does. Correct me if I'm wrong. If one doesn't have a support contract for servicing their machines from an outside provider, this is a BIG BIG deal in businesses. I don't want to spend half my day and schedule time with Apple Geniuses onsite...then wait for the part, etc. I've done this and it's not fun. Dell shows up the next day with the part or ships it, plain and simple.

    Also, in a corporate environment that already supports PCs, they have standard SLAs with a separate MNS shop or through in-house tech support, which may or may not support Macs. So it should be a negligible cost to add a PC to the network, but may be a significant cost for a Mac if no one else knows how to support it. The support costs of integrating Macs + PCs that is often overlooked can be high. Not a fault of the Mac, but a cost nonetheless.

    The common argument to this is that one can install both Windows and Mac OS X on a Mac. But now the TCO is no longer an argument.

    If one buys a Mac it should be because they prefer a Mac or software that's only available on a Mac, plain and simple. But in an environment that's predominantly PC's, it's definitely not a cost saving.
  • Aaron Brazell · 1 year ago
    Totally agree that many companies should not consider the Apple
    solution. That said, most 'no' answers are based on the pricepoint of
    hardware and in many cases, the TCO is actually cheaper and should be
    considered.
  • Vinnie · 1 year ago
    Why the hell are you looking at a measly couple hundred bucks as the deciding factor?

    The real deciding factor should be the employee's productivity on one vs the other. If I can get a task done in 4 hours on a PC or 3 hours on a Mac, and I do that task 4 times a week, and you pay me $50/hour, that's $50 x 4 x 52 = $10,400 a year in employee productivity saved/regained. Same would go if a PC was faster for the task.

    The cost of hardware/software usually pales in comparison to the cost of personnel. If your technology decision-maker is so damn myopic that a couple hundred bucks on hardware is the determining factor they should be fired.
  • thatedeguy · 1 year ago
    You can create PDFs with a little program called PDF Converter 5 Pro from Buy.com for $99. Throw in a copy of OpenOffice software and the Dell is cheaper than the Apple.

    I don't buy it.
  • Peter Davis · 1 year ago
    I didn't know you were a fanboy. When did that happen?
  • iaaxpage · 1 year ago
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  • dcpatton · 1 year ago
    Interesting article and comments. A couple of things to consider:

    1. Open Office 3.0 for the Mac or Google Docs
    2. The faster startup (boot and hibernating) and lack of crashing OS can really increase productivity over time on the Mac. That can be very important for a small business.